No One Falls From Vaikuṇṭha – Part 9 (Bhagavat Sandarbha, 51)

Our disputant may set forth yet another objection: If this section is properly analyzed, we can conclude that it refers only to those devotees who reach Vaikuṇṭha from the material world. This can be ascertained by studying the six items that determine the import of a text, such as its opening and closing statements. These are described in the following verse

Continuation of the commentary by Satyanarayana Dasa:

Our disputant may set forth yet another objection: If this section is properly analyzed, we can conclude that it refers only to those devotees who reach Vaikuṇṭha from the material world. This can be ascertained by studying the six items that determine the import of a text, such as its opening and closing statements. These are described in the following verse:

The true import of a text can be decided by these six criteria: (1) that which is stated at the beginning and the end; (2) that which is repeated throughout the text; (3) that which is unique to it; (4) that which is stated to be the result; (5) that which is praised; and (6) that which is established by logical argument.

The disputant may argue that the opening verse, concluding verse and the Upaniṣad mantra quoted in the section currently under discussion, all refer to the jīva who attains Vaikuṇṭha from the material world.

Answer: This type of analysis is applied only when ambiguity exists about the subject of a book, chapter or essay. But such is not the case here. It is clearly evident that Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī is discussing the qualities of Vaikuṇṭha. He listed nine characteristics of Vaikuṇṭha in Section 49, and is now explaining them in detail. In this present section, he is arguing that one of Vaikuṇṭha’s divine characteristics and proofs of its transcendental nature is that no one falls from there (tato’skhalanam).

Moreover, even if one follows the method of analysis recommended above and concludes that the subject of the section is that those who attain Vaikuṇṭha from the material world never again fall, this does not prove that eternal associates fall. This section makes no such statements, directly or indirectly, and to form such a conclusion is highly improper. On the contrary, the second verse spoken by Lord Kapila (SB 3.25.38), clearly states that Kṛṣṇa’s devotees are never bereft of opulence. Jīva’s intention in quoting it is to say that they never fall.

Krishna, Balaram and gopas on Govardhan Hill / Vrindavan Art

Yet another objection may be raised: The cycle of creation and destruction of the material world is beginningless and has thus occurred innumerable times. During the maintenance period, some jīvas occasionally attain liberation. If living beings continue to exit the material world and no new souls enter by falling from Vaikuṇṭha, then the universe should have been empty by now. Thus, according to this reasoning, it would be logical to assume that an equal number of souls fall from Vaikuṇṭha to replace those who achieve liberation from the material world.

Answer: Such a concept results from ignorance of the unlimited nature of the Lord. There are unlimited material universes, and each contains unlimited living beings. Unlimited means that when some are removed, an unlimited number still remain. Even in mathematics, infinity minus infinity equals infinity. There are an infinite number of points existing in a line that extends from point A to point B. If this line is divided into two parts, say AC and CB, each line still contains an infinite number of points.

Moreover, the logic of the objection ultimately backfires. If nitya-siddhas fall to replace the jīvas who achieve liberation, and those who go to Vaikuṇṭha from the material world never come back, then, as time is beginningless (anādi), by now all the nitya-siddhas would have fallen into the material world and returned to Vaikuṇṭha, and there would be no virgin nitya-siddhas left to fall. Thus, the material world would be empty. Obviously this imagined state is far from the truth, otherwise I would not be here writing this commentary.

The prayers of the personified Śrutis (SB 10.87.30) acknowledge that there are unlimited or countless living beings (aparimita). In commenting on this verse, Śrīla Sanātana Gosvāmī quotes Vajra Mahārāja’s question to the sage Mārkaṇḍeya from the Viṣṇu-dharmottara Purāṇa (1.81.12):

O brāhmaṇa, because time has no beginning, therefore even if only one person achieved liberation in each of the bygone kalpas, wouldn’t the world be empty by now?

Mārkaṇḍeya’s answer is as follows:

When someone is liberated, the Supreme Lord, who possesses unlimited potency, brings forth (sargeṇa) another jīva and thus always keeps the world full. Those people who achieve brahma-loka become liberated along with Brahmā. Then in the next cycle of creation (mahā-kalpa), the Lord emits (sṛjyante) similar beings. Material nature and the living beings should be understood to be beginningless. Their transformations and the guṇas of matter are products of material nature.

Therefore, there is no need to assume that living beings fall from Vaikuṇṭha to replace the liberated souls. The important word in Markaṇḍeya’s reply is acintya-śakti, or inconceivable power. This has been discussed in greater detail in earlier sections of this book. Without accepting the existence of this astonishing potency of the Lord, one can never hope to understand Him in truth.

A doubt may be raised, however, in regard to Mārkaṇḍeya’s statement. Living beings are said to be beginningless (anādi). Why then does Mārkaṇḍeya say that the Lord brings forth (sargeṇa) other jīvas?

Śrīla Sanātana Gosvāmī answers that there are unlimited dormant living beings, which the Lord activates as He desires. This is what is meant by the term “brings forth” in the above verse. The word sarga, or creation, does not mean producing new living beings. This siddhānta is accepted by all Vaiṣṇavas.

Actually, the verb sṛjyante (He creates) is used here to mean “emits.” It comes from the root √sṛj visarge, which can be used to mean either “to create” or “to emit.” Since the first meaning would contradict many other statements asserting that the jīva is never created, we must take the second meaning here. Sṛjyante then means to release the jīva from the dormant state into the active condition.

(to be continued)

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Comments ( 4 )
  1. Saulius

    Namaste,

    If living beings are beginningless and they never fall from Vaikuntha, I assume this implies that their existence in the material world also has no beginning (meaning that there was no time when they did not exist in the material world). Furthermore, stemming from the statement in the text which suggests that these Jivas were brought forth by the Lord, this leads to the conclusion that their presence in the material world is also according to the Lord’s will (i.e. not a result of Jiva’s own choice or a sin committed in the past, or something else).

    If this is correct, then two questions come to mind. (A) Is there any reason that the Lord brought us forth into the material world instead of Vaikuntha? If presence in the material nature is not a result of Jiva’s choice, why couldn’t he (the Jiva) be simply brought forth into Vaikuntha instead of being subjected to this cycle of birth and death. (B) If the statement that Jiva may fall from Vaikuntha is a result of false interpretation of sastras, then what are the implications in terms commentaries of Vedas which are based on this notion (that Jiva is prone to falling from the transcendental abode)? Up to this point I have been studying Bhagavad Gita As It Is (by Srila Prabhupada), but now I’m a bit confused. Could you kindly comment/ advice on this. Thank you.

    With kindest regards

    • malati Post author

      Babaji’s reply:

      A. Your assumption that the jivas’ existence in the material world has no beginning is right. They always have been in the conditioned state. I don’t know from where you got the idea that the jivas are brought forth by the Lord into the material world. If this were true, it goes against the idea that jiva is conditioned without a beginning. The Lord has not brought the jivas into the material world, nor it is the choice of the jiva to come here. Its existence in the material world is beginningless.

      B. The implication of such an interpretation is that the Lord is unable to protect His devotees in Vaikuntha and therefore they can fall any time. Then Vaikuntha also becomes like a heavenly planet from where one falls down once the stock of one’s piety is exhausted. The very word Vaikuntha loses its meaning. It also implies the devotees in Vaikuntha cannot help an other devotee and prevent him from falling down. Then how can a devotee uplift one from the material world to Vaikuntha? In my book “In Vaikuntha not even the Leaves Fall”, I have explained that Srila Prabhupada made both types of statements which I have referred to in the book. According to me the statements in which he says that the jiva falls from Vaikuntha is his preaching technique and not a siddhanta.

  2. Saulius

    Hm..I guess I don’t fully grasp the idea about Jivas being in a dormant state (what it is actually and where it is happening). The purpose of activating them and putting them through this cycle of birth and death is also unclear.

    In case you find a minute or two, I would be glad if you could clarify it.

    Thank you.

    • malati Post author

      Babaji’s reply:

      Dormant means not active because of not having a suitable body. Jiva is a part of the Tatastha Sakti of Paramatma. Paramatma has the sakti. Some of the sakti is within Himself unmanifest and some manifest. Just like you have many abilities or saktis in you, such as the ability to drive a vehicle. It manifests only when you use it to drive a car etc. At other times the sakti remains hidden in you.

      Jivas are sakti like that but with a difference. Jivas have individuality, i.e. consciousness. Those jivas who have bodies are active, others are in a dormant or sleeping state in the body of the Lord. At the time of dissolution of the universe all manifest jivas along with their unused (aprarabdha) karma go into the body of Paramatma. This is compared to sleeping (SB 2.10.6) They come out in the next creation cycle. But not simultaneously, gradually as per their past karma. And some may not come out at all in that cycle and may come out in some other cycle later. It depends on the karma and will of the Paramatma.
      The purpose of bringing them out is to get the outcome of their karma and ultimately some day come to realize the ultimate goal of life and get out of the cycle or samsara. This is the purpose of creation (SB 10.87.2) Jiva’s conditioning is anadi, beginningless. This must be kept in mind always. Forgetting this leads to all sorts of doubts and misconceptions.

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