Are Bliss and Knowledge Inherent?

By Satyanarayana Dasa

Among modern spiritualists there is a common belief that each individual being is full of bliss and knowledge. They claim that everyone is perfect, and it is just a matter of discovering one’s real nature.  The Self is part of God, as confirmed by Sri Krsna, “The living being in this world is My eternal fragment” (Bhagavad Gita 15.7). Just as a drop of the ocean has the quality of the ocean, they believe that the Self has the quality of bliss and knowledge. Somehow the bliss and knowledge have become covered by ignorance, but once ignorance is removed, the Self will shine in its own glory. The Self will be like God.

The Mundaka Upanisad (3.2.9) says, “One who knows Brahman verily becomes Brahman.”  In fact, some spiritual teachers even claim that we are all God but have forgotten it. We are like a lost young prince who is wandering in wilderness and suffering, not knowing that he is a prince. Once he is informed that he is a prince, he can return home and his suffering comes to an end. Or we are like a person who is wearing a golden necklace, but somehow doesn’t know it and is searching for it everywhere.  When someone points it out, the search is over. It was always there, but the person was ignorant about it.

Knowledge Covered by Ignorance?

A similar belief is that we are already perfect, but out of ignorance, we think of ourselves as limited and conditioned. Sri Krsna says in Bhagavad Gita (5.15), “The knowledge is covered by ignorance that bewilders the living beings.” If the ignorance is removed, the Self will shine in its own glory. Just as when a cloud covers the sun, there is darkness, but when the cloud is driven away by the wind, the sunlight pours through. Even when the sun was covered, it had not lost its brilliance. Similarly, they believe that the knowledge and bliss of the self are covered by ignorance; when the ignorance is removed, the Self realizes its own bliss and knowledge.

Some also argue that there is no need for gurus or teachers since all knowledge is within us. No two individuals are the same. Everyone has a distinct history, experiences and samskaras. What is applicable and beneficial for one may be detrimental to another. Indeed one man’s meat is another man’s poison. One has to walk from the place one is standing upon. The goal is one, but paths are many. Nobody should try to imitate another’s practice, because it will not suit him. Some protagonists of this theory decry even the scriptures. They say that scriptures are dead words of dead people. The scriptures only limit and bind us by imposing rules, which restrict our freedom.

These are some of the popular ideas floating around among modern spiritualists. Such theories are antagonistic to the common traditional and organized spiritual systems. At first, they may seem very logical and convincing, but when scrutinized with the proper logic and acumen, they collapse like a house of cards. They certainly do not stand against scriptural scrutiny.

Darkness Never Covers Light

If full of knowledge and bliss, then why does the Self never feel it? Why is the Self incessantly hankering for knowledge and bliss? In fact, all our actions are ultimately aimed at attaining these two goals.  Just as darkness can never cover light, ignorance can never shroud knowledge. Darkness is nothing but absence of light. It is not a positive entity. To cover something, the covering agent must have positive existence. When Krsna says that ignorance covers knowledge (Gita 5.15), He means ignorance covers the discriminating faculty. In other words, a person loses the ability to make proper decisions and is thus bewildered. Krsna Himself recommends approaching a teacher and acquiring knowledge from him (Gita 4.34).

If knowledge were inside the Self, He would have recommended to approach a teacher to get the covering of inherent knowledge removed. Indeed He would not even have recommended going to a teacher but to a peeler, who can peel away ignorance. Krishna specifically uses the words, “The teachers will impart knowledge to you.” In the same vein a few verses later (Gita 4.39), Krishna says that a man of faith who attains knowledge (jnana) become peaceful. If that knowledge were already there, there was no need to attain it in the first place. In verse 7.2. again, Krishna declares to Arjuna that He will now impart unto him this knowledge.

Inconceivable by Mind or Logic

The Self is meta-physical and thus beyond any sense perception and mind. It is not subject to logic. The only way it can be understood is through the scriptures. Sri Krishna describes the self as acintya, or inconceivable by mind or logic (Gita 2.25). Bhisma says, “That which is inconceivable, acintya, cannot be understood by logic. Metaphysical objects are called acintya” (Mahabharata, Bhisma Parva 5.12). The sun may be covered by clouds to others but it is never covered to itself. Similarly, if I were full of bliss and knowledge, then how could I lose sight of it even if I were covered by ignorance? Ignorance can only cover, but not take away, that knowledge. Even though there may be ignorance all around me, I would still be full of knowledge and bliss. But such is not our experience.

A drop of the ocean does not have all the qualities of the ocean. The ocean has waves, a drop does not. The ocean is full of aquatics, but not the drop. One can sail on the ocean, not on a drop.  If I have forgotten about my necklace around my neck and someone points it out to me, I immediately know it and give up my search. But no matter how many times someone tells me that I am full of knowledge and bliss, I realize no bliss and remain as ignorant or knowledgeable as I was before. Why? Because I do not have knowledge and bliss inherent in me. Such examples neither prove nor disprove anything. Examples only assist us in comprehending a known conclusion.

Jiva Gosvami

If I am a pauper, I remain a pauper, even though someone may repeatedly tell me that I am a prince. In Paramatma Sandarbha (28), Sri Jiva Gosvami explicitly says that the self is devoid of knowledge, although conscious by nature, and it lacks bliss although free of any material misery. In other words, it has the potential (svarupa yogyata) to get knowledge and bliss but not yet the functionality (phalopadhayi yogyata). To give an example, a child has the potential to be an athlete or a graduate, but that potential is not realized unless he practices on the track or goes to college and studies.

Only One of God’s Potencies

This explains why we have an innate drive for these two things. A baby is inquisitive from birth, and this inquisitiveness continues until death. Although the Self is part of God, it is only part of one of His potencies, i.e., intermediate potency, or tatastha sakti. It does not have in it the other two potencies, i.e., bahiranga or external and antaranga or internal. When it is said that a knower of Brahman becomes Brahman, it means that he becomes like Brahman.  He acquires some of the features of Brahman (Sadharmya Gita 14.2). Nobody can become Brahman. The Self is infinitesimal in size and does not have internal potency in it, hence it is prone to be influenced by the other two energies, i.e., bahiranga or antaranga. In the present state, it is under the influence of bahiranga, or external potency.

This influence is affected by the inconceivable power of God, called Maya. Maya belongs to God and for this reason one can become free of Maya’s influence only by the grace of God or His devotee. Even after being freed of this influence, the Self does not become God but remains a fragment of God—only now it has knowledge and bliss.

COMMENTS ARE CLOSED

  1. Why do our scriptures say that jiva is sac-cid-ananda? You are implying that jiva is only sat, and cid and ananda are two potentials available to jiva. Then why does shastra not make it explicit or is it to emphasize a need of guru despite explicit instructions sometime exist? Or is it that we know it, but ignorance is bliss and internally we enjoy this ignorant stage but outwardly we seek knowledge?
    Thanks for posting such an interesting topic.

    purushottam das

    12.31.2011

  2. First of all, there are hardly any statements in sastra which say that jiva is saccidanada. Do you know any?
    I do not deny that there are indirect statements in scripture which imply that jiva is saccidanada. They have been misunderstood and i am trying to clear the air.
    I am not saying that jiva is only sat, and that cit and ananda are merely potential. Jiva also is cit and ananda, but this saccidananda is not the same as that of Bhagavan. Cit for the jiva does not mean omniscient, but conscious as opposed to inert. Similarly ananda does not mean that jiva is full of bliss, but rather that it is free of misery. That is also a type of bliss, but it is not like Krsna’s bliss, the bliss of internal potency.
    We do not know inwardly, otherwise you would not pose the question. Because we do not know inwardly we seek knowledge.

    snd

    01.02.2012

  3. Thanks for such wonderful topic.
    It is so comforting to hear you say this because it has confused me for some time that some believe that self is full of knowledge. It seems counter to the essence of humility. It seems to be an opinion that fuels the ego and is detrimental to spiritual practice. Would it be correct to say that the only ultimate bliss the Jiva can experience is to bask in KRSNA’s bliss? And would it be correct to state that the Jiva’s ultimate state is almost devoid of any particular “emotional” state (for lack of a better word-understanding emotions are material), but is an indescribable state of receptiveness?

    Thanks so much Babaji
    Radhe Radhe!!!

    Kurt Shoemaker

    01.07.2012

    • On behalf of Babaji:

      > Would it be correct to say that the only ultimate bliss the Jiva can experience is to bask in KRSNA’s bliss?

      Yes, that is right, except that there is also brahmananda or bliss of Brahman realization. But firstly that is not possible without devotion to Krsna and secondly Brahman is nothing but Krsna without his qualities manifest.

      > And would it be correct to state that the Jiva’s ultimate state is almost devoid of any particular “emotional” state (for lack of a better word-understanding emotions are material), but is an indescribable state of receptiveness?

      Jiva on the spiritual platform has spiritual emotions in relation to Krsna.

      malati

      01.10.2012

    • Thanks for the response!

      To clarify, Jiva on the spiritual platform has spiritual emotions in relation to Krsna. Certainly these spiritual emotions emanate from KRSNA. Or to say it in another way- Does the Jiva only “feel” emotion when in exchanges with KRSNA and none else? Maybe this is an irrelevant question since Jiva on Spiritual platform always relates with KRSNA and therefore there is no state without KRSNA to experience and no other emotion. By receptive state, could it be more clearly stated to say, the Jiva’s ultimate state is that of being receptive to KRSNA’s love? In some cases modern spiritualists replace the terms knowledge and bliss with “pure love” or “divine love” as the constituent of the true self. Would this also be an incorrect assessment, since pure love or divine love only comes from KRSNA or relations with KRSNA?
      I hope I am properly understanding.

      Thanks so much! Glories to Kesava!!

      Kurt Shoemaker

      01.10.2012

    • Babaji’s reply:

      > To clarify, Jiva on the spiritual platform has spiritual emotions in relation to Krsna. Certainly these spiritual emotions emanate from KRSNA. Or to say it in another way- Does the Jiva only “feel” emotion when in exchanges with KRSNA and none else?

      Both when in exchange with Krsna as well as with His devotees.

      > Maybe this is irrelevant question since Jiva on Spiritual platform always relates with KRSNA and therefore there is no state without KRSNA to experience and no other emotion. By receptive state, could it more clearly stated to say, the Jiva’s ultimate state is that of being receptive to KRSNA’s love?

      Not only receptive but full of love.

      > In some cases modern spiritualists replace the terms knowledge and bliss with “pure love” or “divine love” as the constituent of the true self. Would this also
      be an incorrect assessment, since pure love or divine love only comes from KRSNA or relations with KRSNA?

      You got it.

      malati

      01.12.2012

  4. Dear Babaji.

    May I humbly ask for definition / differentiation among jiva, purusha and atman.

    May I humbly ask if Srimad Bhagavata is the mature fruit of the Vedas that contains the juice without the skin, where is the seed?

    With devotion,
    Sandy

    Sandy Lee

    02.20.2012

  5. The word jiva means one who has life. It is a word used for the atman or individividual self conditioned by prakriti in the form of subtle and gross bodies. Purusa means one who occupies the body. It is a term used for the pure or unconditioned indidvidual self. The term is also used for the Supreme Self or God. Atman means that which pervades the body. This term is generally used for the pure or unconditioned self but also used for God.

    Jiva, purusa, and atman all can be used for individual self as well as for God , depending upon the context.

    Bhagavata is a fruit without seed, like you have seedless grapes or bananas.

    snd

    02.21.2012

  6. Some references from Bhagavata Purana and Bhagavad Gita showing fruit and seed are one in the same when referencing KRSNA and Bhagavatam.

    Srimad – Bhagavatam Canto 1 Chapter 3 Verse 5

    “The second manifestation of Purusa is the source and indestructible seed of multiple incarnations within the universe. From the particles and portions of this form, different living entities, like demigods, men and others, are created.”

    Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 1 Chapter 3 Verse 40

    “Srimad Bhagavatam is the literary incarnation of God, and it is compiled by Srila Vyasadeva, the incarnation of God. It is meant for the ultimate good of all people, and it is all-successful, all blissful and all perfect.”

    Bhagavad Gita Chapter 7 Verse 10

    Sri KRSNA Says to Arjuna…

    “O son of Pritha, know that I am the original seed of all existences, the intelligence of the intelligent, and the prowess of all powerful men.”

    Glories to Sri KRSNA! There is nothing beyond KRSNA!!!

    Hari OM!

    Kurt Shoemaker

    02.21.2012

  7. Dear Babaji

    Thank u

    With devotion
    Sandy

    Sandy Lee

    02.22.2012

  8. Dear Kurt

    Thank you

    With regards
    Sandy Lee

    Sandy Lee

    02.24.2012

  9. From SB 2.5.19 translated by Bhanu Svami

    “The Gunas – the cause of matter, senses and the sense devatas – binds the jiva who is associated with maya, but WHO IS ACTUALLY COMPOSED OF KNOWLEDGE, with false identieties of body, senses and mind.

    From commentary of Visvanath Cakravatipada to the above verse.

    “The jiva is called eternally liberated because HE HAS BEGINNINGLESS KNOWLEDGE JUST AS HE HAS BEGINNINGLESS IGNORANCE.”

    Is it a wrong translation?

    AHD

    06.09.2012

    • No, the translation is correct.
      SND

      malati

      06.17.2012